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		<title>Comment on Grounding the Hype: Audit the Ft. Knox Gold! by silverax</title>
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		<dc:creator>silverax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 04:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="#comment-3940" rel="nofollow"&gt;@rob&lt;/a&gt; 
Good point Rob! While I don't think we would have collapse/default right off the bat if the gold somehow wasn't there, it would certainly accelerate the population's slide into mistrust and total loss of confidence. At minimum it would double the ranks of the Tea Parties! And if they did try to confiscate gold -- the 1933 scheme by FDR wasn't really a confiscation given that most people were free to quietly continue to hold gold or ship it overseas, in fact there was only one prosecution under the executive order and even that was overturned on appeal -- that would probably be the least of our worries! Frankly I'd rather live under a "social democratic" government (say, like what they have in Germany today) that goes on to ban gold ownership very effectively rather than under a totalitarian government that tries to ban gold ownership very ineffectively (as would certainly be the case in the U.S.). To wit, I don't think they can confiscate gold here in America before they confiscate all the guns . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-3940" rel="nofollow">@rob</a><br />
Good point Rob! While I don&#8217;t think we would have collapse/default right off the bat if the gold somehow wasn&#8217;t there, it would certainly accelerate the population&#8217;s slide into mistrust and total loss of confidence. At minimum it would double the ranks of the Tea Parties! And if they did try to confiscate gold &#8212; the 1933 scheme by FDR wasn&#8217;t really a confiscation given that most people were free to quietly continue to hold gold or ship it overseas, in fact there was only one prosecution under the executive order and even that was overturned on appeal &#8212; that would probably be the least of our worries! Frankly I&#8217;d rather live under a &#8220;social democratic&#8221; government (say, like what they have in Germany today) that goes on to ban gold ownership very effectively rather than under a totalitarian government that tries to ban gold ownership very ineffectively (as would certainly be the case in the U.S.). To wit, I don&#8217;t think they can confiscate gold here in America before they confiscate all the guns . . .</p>
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		<title>Comment on Grounding the Hype: Audit the Ft. Knox Gold! by rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 02:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="#comment-3937" rel="nofollow"&gt;@silverax &lt;/a&gt; 
"I’ll wager that 99% of gold bugs are hoping there is in fact no gold at Ft. Knox, for obvious reasons."
Be careful what one wishes for (not you Tom).   As much as I love my gold I pray to the heavens the gold is in fact there.  The alternative scenario is too scary to imagine but most likely includes some form of fiscal collapse/default, gold confiscation or prohibition and totalitarianism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-3937" rel="nofollow">@silverax </a><br />
&#8220;I’ll wager that 99% of gold bugs are hoping there is in fact no gold at Ft. Knox, for obvious reasons.&#8221;<br />
Be careful what one wishes for (not you Tom).   As much as I love my gold I pray to the heavens the gold is in fact there.  The alternative scenario is too scary to imagine but most likely includes some form of fiscal collapse/default, gold confiscation or prohibition and totalitarianism.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Grounding the Hype: Audit the Ft. Knox Gold! by silverax</title>
		<link>http://www.metalaugmentor.com/eforum/?p=4229#comment-3937</link>
		<dc:creator>silverax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 23:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I'm being a bit harsh here because clearly the transparency can be greatly improved and I'm certainly all for making sure that the gold has not be encumbered, as I note several times in the above commentary. This is precisely why I think Dr. Paul is going about it the wrong way by focusing on the silly mantra of "independent audit". If you will re-read my analysis above, I lay out in very precise detail why KPMG is in fact doing a full independent audit including the required physical, independent verification of the gold reserves by accompanying the Treasury officers on vault inspections. If this weren't so, KPMG's audit would be fraudulent beyond anything that has ever come before. You mention Arthur Anderson but they didn't go down because of massive fraud, they went down because they followed a gray line that ruined their reputation.

Just because you retread a few memes about the gold reserves doesn't make them true. For example, you claim KPMG has "NO ACCESS" to the vaults. Of course they don't, that is why they accompany Treasury Inspectors. You imply the Treasury Inspectors are not independent, and you are right, since the Mint holds the gold on a custodial basis and the Mint is a bureau of the Treasury. But as a result, KPMG cannot "over see" the Treasury Inspectors, the auditors must do their own independent verification. Otherwise it is not an "independent audit" and KPMG is committing massive fraud by calling it that. Every report on this topic by "journalists" has confused the issue by conflating terms like "access", "audit", "oversee", etc. Personally speaking, Jerome Corsi was kind enough to forward to me an email from a Treasury spokesman back in 2006 or 2007 in which it was laid out in a bit of detail how KPMG is involved in the vault audit. "No access" but just simply "over seeing" is a very faulty simplification.

The gold is actually collateral for Federal Reserve notes outstanding, but it is not needed for that (there is $1 trillion of excess collateral at this point). The reason this came to be is that back in 1933 when FDR seized the circulating gold certificates (which were backed directly by gold), there were FRNs issued as payment. Thus the redeemed gold was credited to the "gold certificate account" while newly-printed FRNs were debited. Until the early 1970s, foreign governments could redeem FRNs for gold and this gold certificate account was used to make settlement. Do note, however, that the FRNs being redeemed for gold were credited to the Treasury's account at the Fed since the gold is legally owned by the Treasury.

In any case, the Fed does not have the right to encumber the gold, and the Fed's involvement in "gold swaps" is a matter of rife speculation. In fact, since the Fed itself does not own any gold, it is hard to see how it could be engaged in gold swaps other than on the receiving side. It is easy to dishonestly take someone's words out of context, whether they happen to be a Fed Gov or not.

I don't care what the UK had or did not have, the question here is very specific: are the U.S. Gold Reserves being independently audited? The answer is an unequivocal yes, and to claim otherwise, regardless of the motives, is plain silly.

Once again, it is not silly to ask if the gold has been "obligated via swaps" or otherwise, although it would be the Treasury and only the Treasury that has the legal right to encumber the gold. I fully support getting to the bottom of the encumbrance question and have said so for years. But this is totally separate from the "independent audit" issue being raised by Dr. Paul. By the way, the Treasury department is also externally audited so an audit itself would probably not reveal any secret "swaps".

Instead of this independent audit tack, Dr. Paul would be much better advised to introduce legislation requiring that the gold as reported in the Mint's custody shall be maintained without encumbrance of any kind, including removing such gold from the collateral account of the Federal Reserve. This is an achievable goal and would actually require special audit procedures to make sure it is being complied with so as to increase whatever assurance there is in the independent audits now being conducted. And while it wouldn't assuage the most extreme conspiracy-monger, it would be an important step in acknowledging the fiscal value and benefit that the gold reserves represent to the U.S.

As a post-script. let me add that I personally do not believe Dr. Paul knows what he is talking about some of the time, although I'll grant that his motives do appear to be grounded in honesty, trust, integrity, etc. These virtues can, however, sometimes pave the path to hell. The fact is that NOTHING any government does would EVER be trusted by someone like Dr. Paul who often bases his thinking on conspiracies ("follow the money") while ironically putting his full faith in the righteousness of the sovereign individuals (ironic because governments are run by individuals). Moreover, some of his followers tend to be much less reasonable than Dr. Paul himself.

Another post-script: With all due respect, even as someone who understands the importance of gold, I'll wager the issue of Ft. Knox gold is probably about 99th in terms of priority for the general U.S. population right now. Most Americans are struggling with some issue or another that will not be impacted by the presence or absence of gold at Ft. Knox. And for a final bit of honesty, I'll wager that 99% of gold bugs are hoping there is in fact no gold at Ft. Knox, for obvious reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m being a bit harsh here because clearly the transparency can be greatly improved and I&#8217;m certainly all for making sure that the gold has not be encumbered, as I note several times in the above commentary. This is precisely why I think Dr. Paul is going about it the wrong way by focusing on the silly mantra of &#8220;independent audit&#8221;. If you will re-read my analysis above, I lay out in very precise detail why KPMG is in fact doing a full independent audit including the required physical, independent verification of the gold reserves by accompanying the Treasury officers on vault inspections. If this weren&#8217;t so, KPMG&#8217;s audit would be fraudulent beyond anything that has ever come before. You mention Arthur Anderson but they didn&#8217;t go down because of massive fraud, they went down because they followed a gray line that ruined their reputation.</p>
<p>Just because you retread a few memes about the gold reserves doesn&#8217;t make them true. For example, you claim KPMG has &#8220;NO ACCESS&#8221; to the vaults. Of course they don&#8217;t, that is why they accompany Treasury Inspectors. You imply the Treasury Inspectors are not independent, and you are right, since the Mint holds the gold on a custodial basis and the Mint is a bureau of the Treasury. But as a result, KPMG cannot &#8220;over see&#8221; the Treasury Inspectors, the auditors must do their own independent verification. Otherwise it is not an &#8220;independent audit&#8221; and KPMG is committing massive fraud by calling it that. Every report on this topic by &#8220;journalists&#8221; has confused the issue by conflating terms like &#8220;access&#8221;, &#8220;audit&#8221;, &#8220;oversee&#8221;, etc. Personally speaking, Jerome Corsi was kind enough to forward to me an email from a Treasury spokesman back in 2006 or 2007 in which it was laid out in a bit of detail how KPMG is involved in the vault audit. &#8220;No access&#8221; but just simply &#8220;over seeing&#8221; is a very faulty simplification.</p>
<p>The gold is actually collateral for Federal Reserve notes outstanding, but it is not needed for that (there is $1 trillion of excess collateral at this point). The reason this came to be is that back in 1933 when FDR seized the circulating gold certificates (which were backed directly by gold), there were FRNs issued as payment. Thus the redeemed gold was credited to the &#8220;gold certificate account&#8221; while newly-printed FRNs were debited. Until the early 1970s, foreign governments could redeem FRNs for gold and this gold certificate account was used to make settlement. Do note, however, that the FRNs being redeemed for gold were credited to the Treasury&#8217;s account at the Fed since the gold is legally owned by the Treasury.</p>
<p>In any case, the Fed does not have the right to encumber the gold, and the Fed&#8217;s involvement in &#8220;gold swaps&#8221; is a matter of rife speculation. In fact, since the Fed itself does not own any gold, it is hard to see how it could be engaged in gold swaps other than on the receiving side. It is easy to dishonestly take someone&#8217;s words out of context, whether they happen to be a Fed Gov or not.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care what the UK had or did not have, the question here is very specific: are the U.S. Gold Reserves being independently audited? The answer is an unequivocal yes, and to claim otherwise, regardless of the motives, is plain silly.</p>
<p>Once again, it is not silly to ask if the gold has been &#8220;obligated via swaps&#8221; or otherwise, although it would be the Treasury and only the Treasury that has the legal right to encumber the gold. I fully support getting to the bottom of the encumbrance question and have said so for years. But this is totally separate from the &#8220;independent audit&#8221; issue being raised by Dr. Paul. By the way, the Treasury department is also externally audited so an audit itself would probably not reveal any secret &#8220;swaps&#8221;.</p>
<p>Instead of this independent audit tack, Dr. Paul would be much better advised to introduce legislation requiring that the gold as reported in the Mint&#8217;s custody shall be maintained without encumbrance of any kind, including removing such gold from the collateral account of the Federal Reserve. This is an achievable goal and would actually require special audit procedures to make sure it is being complied with so as to increase whatever assurance there is in the independent audits now being conducted. And while it wouldn&#8217;t assuage the most extreme conspiracy-monger, it would be an important step in acknowledging the fiscal value and benefit that the gold reserves represent to the U.S.</p>
<p>As a post-script. let me add that I personally do not believe Dr. Paul knows what he is talking about some of the time, although I&#8217;ll grant that his motives do appear to be grounded in honesty, trust, integrity, etc. These virtues can, however, sometimes pave the path to hell. The fact is that NOTHING any government does would EVER be trusted by someone like Dr. Paul who often bases his thinking on conspiracies (&#8221;follow the money&#8221;) while ironically putting his full faith in the righteousness of the sovereign individuals (ironic because governments are run by individuals). Moreover, some of his followers tend to be much less reasonable than Dr. Paul himself.</p>
<p>Another post-script: With all due respect, even as someone who understands the importance of gold, I&#8217;ll wager the issue of Ft. Knox gold is probably about 99th in terms of priority for the general U.S. population right now. Most Americans are struggling with some issue or another that will not be impacted by the presence or absence of gold at Ft. Knox. And for a final bit of honesty, I&#8217;ll wager that 99% of gold bugs are hoping there is in fact no gold at Ft. Knox, for obvious reasons.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Grounding the Hype: Audit the Ft. Knox Gold! by kumanari</title>
		<link>http://www.metalaugmentor.com/eforum/?p=4229#comment-3936</link>
		<dc:creator>kumanari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 20:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I beg to differ,
Mr.Paul has been calling for this for 30 YEARS! There is no "independent audit". Treasury Dept., Office of Inspector General does audit which KPMG over sees.They have NO ACCESS to the vaults.
The gold is actually collateral for/of (?) federal reserve who is involved with "gold swaps" with foreign banks according to Fed Gov Kevin M. Warsh who insisted the fed's "swap" arraignments must remain secret ala TARP. Note, after the gold standard was dropped the U.K. didn't have the gold to cover their banknotes which were supposed to be backed by gold.  Has any of this gold been obligated via "swaps".  Valid questions have been raised by OUR REPRESENTATIVE. There is nothing silly about a man doing his job. He said nothing about conspiracy. You make light of a very heavy subject sir. WE long for the day when all this silliness is behind us. It's about trust,confidence,honesty,and integrity. 
Arthur Anderson,Moodys,S&amp;P..........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beg to differ,<br />
Mr.Paul has been calling for this for 30 YEARS! There is no &#8220;independent audit&#8221;. Treasury Dept., Office of Inspector General does audit which KPMG over sees.They have NO ACCESS to the vaults.<br />
The gold is actually collateral for/of (?) federal reserve who is involved with &#8220;gold swaps&#8221; with foreign banks according to Fed Gov Kevin M. Warsh who insisted the fed&#8217;s &#8220;swap&#8221; arraignments must remain secret ala TARP. Note, after the gold standard was dropped the U.K. didn&#8217;t have the gold to cover their banknotes which were supposed to be backed by gold.  Has any of this gold been obligated via &#8220;swaps&#8221;.  Valid questions have been raised by OUR REPRESENTATIVE. There is nothing silly about a man doing his job. He said nothing about conspiracy. You make light of a very heavy subject sir. WE long for the day when all this silliness is behind us. It&#8217;s about trust,confidence,honesty,and integrity.<br />
Arthur Anderson,Moodys,S&amp;P&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Current Portfolio Focus by silverax</title>
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		<dc:creator>silverax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 19:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="#comment-3932" rel="nofollow"&gt;@Bart&lt;/a&gt; 
Yes, but we'd look for something a bit lower, in the 60s, because we already bought some a bit higher. If you haven't added on this decline it could be worth starting to nibble.

&lt;a href="#comment-3934" rel="nofollow"&gt;@Giuseppe&lt;/a&gt; 
Nobody has the ability to "anticipate future discoveries"!!! The company was simply cheap, in the midst of a drilling program with significant potential to make a new discovery. It had already seen some interest due to the major gold intercept near surface. This created an open-ended possibility where a few decent deeper intercepts could have started the share price off and running. Obviously it didn't turn out that way, the odds were simply too long and the company follow-up too stretched out. The difference with Oro Gold was a much higher market cap and while the completed drilling did have more significant results, the gold system itself appeared constrained with limited upside possibilities. Oro Silver is now more of a hold as the combined company is actually quite cheap and while we are not now looking for an immediate home run I think it is realistic to expect the shares to move substantially higher (as noted in my early commentary, some patience will be needed).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-3932" rel="nofollow">@Bart</a><br />
Yes, but we&#8217;d look for something a bit lower, in the 60s, because we already bought some a bit higher. If you haven&#8217;t added on this decline it could be worth starting to nibble.</p>
<p><a href="#comment-3934" rel="nofollow">@Giuseppe</a><br />
Nobody has the ability to &#8220;anticipate future discoveries&#8221;!!! The company was simply cheap, in the midst of a drilling program with significant potential to make a new discovery. It had already seen some interest due to the major gold intercept near surface. This created an open-ended possibility where a few decent deeper intercepts could have started the share price off and running. Obviously it didn&#8217;t turn out that way, the odds were simply too long and the company follow-up too stretched out. The difference with Oro Gold was a much higher market cap and while the completed drilling did have more significant results, the gold system itself appeared constrained with limited upside possibilities. Oro Silver is now more of a hold as the combined company is actually quite cheap and while we are not now looking for an immediate home run I think it is realistic to expect the shares to move substantially higher (as noted in my early commentary, some patience will be needed).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Current Portfolio Focus by Giuseppe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giuseppe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 16:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is oro Silver still a "buy" or more of an "hold"?

- - - -

August 26, 2010
DEFINITIVE MERGER AGREEMENT SIGNED
Oro Gold Resources Ltd. and Oro Silver Resources Ltd. announce that they have executed the definitive arrangement agreement under which Oro Gold will acquire all of the issued and outstanding securities of Oro Silver through a plan of arrangement. 
...
The completion of the Transaction is subject to a number of conditions, including: ... holders of not more than 5% of the Oro Silver shares exercising their right to dissent to the Transaction...

- - - - 

are we going to exercise our right to dissent to the Transaction? the 5% limit is not so difficult to reach actually. Seems the market prefers Oro Gold: despite the 4:1 merger ratio, currently you need to sell 5 OSR shares (0.8 cad right now) to buy 1 OGR share (0.395 cad now).

Oro Silver was a stock I've averaged down more than once trusting your ability to anticipate future discoveries, but actually I did not understood why did you think it was supposed to sit on a big silver deep deposit. On the contrary it was easier for me to understand your interest in Oro Gold (you just said you did own the shares on a personal basis, not as M.A. suggestion) given the 11.9 g/t Gold Over 41 Metres intercept.

Now that the 2 companies are about to merger, time could be right for a brief comment, even if I understand you have a lot of different arguments to write about, companies to watch, etc. So I'll perfectly understand if you weren't able to update this story. I would just like to understand if OSR is still a buy as PKL, or if a partial swich from the first to the second is a good idea...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is oro Silver still a &#8220;buy&#8221; or more of an &#8220;hold&#8221;?</p>
<p>- - - -</p>
<p>August 26, 2010<br />
DEFINITIVE MERGER AGREEMENT SIGNED<br />
Oro Gold Resources Ltd. and Oro Silver Resources Ltd. announce that they have executed the definitive arrangement agreement under which Oro Gold will acquire all of the issued and outstanding securities of Oro Silver through a plan of arrangement.<br />
&#8230;<br />
The completion of the Transaction is subject to a number of conditions, including: &#8230; holders of not more than 5% of the Oro Silver shares exercising their right to dissent to the Transaction&#8230;</p>
<p>- - - - </p>
<p>are we going to exercise our right to dissent to the Transaction? the 5% limit is not so difficult to reach actually. Seems the market prefers Oro Gold: despite the 4:1 merger ratio, currently you need to sell 5 OSR shares (0.8 cad right now) to buy 1 OGR share (0.395 cad now).</p>
<p>Oro Silver was a stock I&#8217;ve averaged down more than once trusting your ability to anticipate future discoveries, but actually I did not understood why did you think it was supposed to sit on a big silver deep deposit. On the contrary it was easier for me to understand your interest in Oro Gold (you just said you did own the shares on a personal basis, not as M.A. suggestion) given the 11.9 g/t Gold Over 41 Metres intercept.</p>
<p>Now that the 2 companies are about to merger, time could be right for a brief comment, even if I understand you have a lot of different arguments to write about, companies to watch, etc. So I&#8217;ll perfectly understand if you weren&#8217;t able to update this story. I would just like to understand if OSR is still a buy as PKL, or if a partial swich from the first to the second is a good idea&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Current Portfolio Focus by Bart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IS PKL.TO coming into your buy zone?</description>
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		<title>Comment on A Bit of &#8220;Free&#8221; Money by silverax</title>
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		<dc:creator>silverax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 06:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite amazing, they are making discoveries that so far appear to be limited in extent (in the range of 1-2 million ounces, not 5-10 million ounces) yet the market is going absolutely apeshit over the results. ATAC now has about a $400 million market cap, around the same as EAS. Interestingly this is precisely the type of market action I was expecting from EAS at some point given that Miwah has the potential to deliver single-hole results like this (and perhaps even much better).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite amazing, they are making discoveries that so far appear to be limited in extent (in the range of 1-2 million ounces, not 5-10 million ounces) yet the market is going absolutely apeshit over the results. ATAC now has about a $400 million market cap, around the same as EAS. Interestingly this is precisely the type of market action I was expecting from EAS at some point given that Miwah has the potential to deliver single-hole results like this (and perhaps even much better).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Early Warning Update: Companies Under Review Since June by silverax</title>
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		<dc:creator>silverax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 06:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite="#commentbody-3899"&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="#comment-3899" rel="nofollow"&gt;Giuseppe&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know Turnagain project is not going to become a mine in the next decade or two, but I think HNC doesn’t need that to be a profitable trade from here. If we were not going in a double dip depression as I fear, and nickel price should rise some $, an external driver could easily pump this 13M$ microcap like it happened in the first half of 2010 when it tripled just because of chinese interest in Crowflight.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If I were to choose a nickel play my favourite would be Noront, and as a cobalt play my favourite still is Geovic, but I agree Formation Capital has got quite value at this price level.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Regarding the financings, recently there was Adex that was able to secure the financing of the capex for the tin-indium zone of their Mount Pleasant property, which also has a tungsten-moly zone. I was a shareholder in the past, in particular for the fact that this microcap could become one of the greatest indium producers of the world, but I exited when I rationalized my portfolio.&lt;br&gt;
Now that the financing occurred (and shares in the placement were sold at 0.12cad, with a warrant at 0.18 cad of exercise price attached, vs current share price at 0.1 cad) I feel a new interest in this exotic metals value play. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But I agree time for these types of plays is not now. Being near the 1040 S&amp;P level advise against dealing with these plays today. But I like to monitor my leverage kings. Should S&amp;P rise over 1175 my scenario would turn into positive ground, and I could start accumulating rare and base metals value plays like Fortune, Adex and Noront.&lt;/p&gt;
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I think it is a great idea to keep close track of these companies as there will be a point when things stabilize and the market takes new interest in them. I too feel that being defensive at this time is probably the right positioning but I don't see a huge crash in stocks, more like a bear market continuation although in my view not approaching the March 2009 lows of 666 on the S&amp;P (my informal target is 875, and that's on a spike low). Yes, this is a muddle through scenario with the economy and markets dragging themselves along the bottom. Not very exciting to contemplate but the most likely to happen.</description>
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<p>I know Turnagain project is not going to become a mine in the next decade or two, but I think HNC doesn’t need that to be a profitable trade from here. If we were not going in a double dip depression as I fear, and nickel price should rise some $, an external driver could easily pump this 13M$ microcap like it happened in the first half of 2010 when it tripled just because of chinese interest in Crowflight.</p>
<p>If I were to choose a nickel play my favourite would be Noront, and as a cobalt play my favourite still is Geovic, but I agree Formation Capital has got quite value at this price level.</p>
<p>Regarding the financings, recently there was Adex that was able to secure the financing of the capex for the tin-indium zone of their Mount Pleasant property, which also has a tungsten-moly zone. I was a shareholder in the past, in particular for the fact that this microcap could become one of the greatest indium producers of the world, but I exited when I rationalized my portfolio.<br />
Now that the financing occurred (and shares in the placement were sold at 0.12cad, with a warrant at 0.18 cad of exercise price attached, vs current share price at 0.1 cad) I feel a new interest in this exotic metals value play. </p>
<p>But I agree time for these types of plays is not now. Being near the 1040 S&amp;P level advise against dealing with these plays today. But I like to monitor my leverage kings. Should S&amp;P rise over 1175 my scenario would turn into positive ground, and I could start accumulating rare and base metals value plays like Fortune, Adex and Noront.</p>
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<p>I think it is a great idea to keep close track of these companies as there will be a point when things stabilize and the market takes new interest in them. I too feel that being defensive at this time is probably the right positioning but I don&#8217;t see a huge crash in stocks, more like a bear market continuation although in my view not approaching the March 2009 lows of 666 on the S&#038;P (my informal target is 875, and that&#8217;s on a spike low). Yes, this is a muddle through scenario with the economy and markets dragging themselves along the bottom. Not very exciting to contemplate but the most likely to happen.</p>
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		<description>No problem, just don't blame us if the trade doesn't work out as you expect, okay? That said, Formation does look pretty cheap and as you say if they can secure financing under favorable terms then it could be quite an interesting opportunity. Maybe not the long-term upside of a Geovic but a solid double or triple appears to be a good possibility just based on change in sentiment toward the company. I don't have a problem with you putting together a guest commentary, who knows it could even convince us to consider the company more closely or even officially add it as a position. I am still trying to weigh the appropriate time to release the leverage kings writeup -- it will happen at some point soon but it's silly not to have anything else from you in the meantime. BTW, you are absolutely right about hydrometallurgical or other "integrated" processing, it can sometimes make a very big difference (although sometimes it creates more complications, headaches and costs). Just look at the success of SX-EW in copper, now being extended to other metals -- zinc, nickel-cobalt, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem, just don&#8217;t blame us if the trade doesn&#8217;t work out as you expect, okay? That said, Formation does look pretty cheap and as you say if they can secure financing under favorable terms then it could be quite an interesting opportunity. Maybe not the long-term upside of a Geovic but a solid double or triple appears to be a good possibility just based on change in sentiment toward the company. I don&#8217;t have a problem with you putting together a guest commentary, who knows it could even convince us to consider the company more closely or even officially add it as a position. I am still trying to weigh the appropriate time to release the leverage kings writeup &#8212; it will happen at some point soon but it&#8217;s silly not to have anything else from you in the meantime. BTW, you are absolutely right about hydrometallurgical or other &#8220;integrated&#8221; processing, it can sometimes make a very big difference (although sometimes it creates more complications, headaches and costs). Just look at the success of SX-EW in copper, now being extended to other metals &#8212; zinc, nickel-cobalt, etc.</p>
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